Shooting

At Virgina Tech..
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/index.html
Reporting 21 dead as of now...

31 now. This sucks.

Not to mention the wounded.

33 including shooter...this is messed up

Well, we had to see this coming.
I expected it sooner, however.

Who didn't see that one coming. I really hate the fact that video games catches the blame for every violent event. Anyway.. this is a horrible event, and my condolences to the families of the lost ones.

He did good for only pistols.

What's fucked up is the real tragedy here is the failure of the college to keep the kids safe once the whole thing started, they didn't have the school on lockdown until 2 hours passed!

and yet, what are the press going to do? Talk about video games, instead of talking about lax security in a post-9/11 world.

Is it too early to joke about this yet?

I've been the whole night watching CNN. Someone was telling that the first shooting was something that had nothing to do with the second. Apparently the first shooting was some kind of a "personal" thing... I guess will know more with time. Still it is a horrible tragedy.

I was sick last night so I watched alot of the coverage going on and I must have missed something because I never seen that anyone blamed video games for this tradgedy. I would agree with the above poster I think they are going to have to do a lot of explaining why the students were not notified within a more timely manner. What I would like to know is what was this guy doing between the first and second shooting? They said it only takes a few minutes to get to the building where the second shooting happened but yet that one didn't happen for over an hour.

Shooter was Asian.. I heard he got mad because he got a B on his paper...

Said By Haggard

Shooter was Asian..

like that matters

Said By free::zombie

Said By Haggard

Shooter was Asian..

like that matters

It matters because of the jokes which can be made, like about him getting a B, or that he got confused with real life and games and thought he was fighting a zerg rush.

Does it matter where we place the blame? Is it going to change that all those people are dead? What needs to be figured out is what's going to be done so this doesn't happen again somewhere else?

Said By debrajean2

Does it matter where we place the blame? Is it going to change that all those people are dead? What needs to be figured out is what's going to be done so this doesn't happen again somewhere else?

Most of the reason for the high body count was the lack of response from campus security and the police.

I would like to take the time to point out that the night before this happened 30 people were found shot dead on the streets of Iraq, discovered by police, and 8 people died in a bombing.

This incident was different though, because OH NOES AMERICAN LIVES!

Said By Thefremen

This incident was different though, because OH NOES AMERICAN LIVES!

uh yeah, I hate that kind of thing. If a ship explodes in Indonesia carrying 200 tourists, among them 3 Germans, THAT is a number you will hear, contrary to many other details.

Said By debrajean2

Does it matter where we place the blame? Is it going to change that all those people are dead? What needs to be figured out is what's going to be done so this doesn't happen again somewhere else?

Aside from decreasing response time and having a more proper method of security, it's not really preventable. All laws and measures are largely based on the individual's concern for their own safety (or their message's safety) but if the individual doesn't care if they die, most of our defenses are useless. I mean, you could be gunned down in line at the grocery store, someone could run in guns blazing and there's nothing you could do. Even with metal detectors, even with laws to prevent gun ownership, the people who want to hurt you are going to do it. Sure, they may be struck down, but that doesn't change the fact that they've already shot you, right? That's the scariest thing that we don't want to realize, these things aren't preventable as a whole. The only thing we can hope to do is make it harder for them to happen and prevent a higher body count by responding quickly.

Said By Thefremen

I would like to take the time to point out that the night before this happened 30 people were found shot dead on the streets of Iraq, discovered by police, and 8 people died in a bombing.

This incident was different though, because OH NOES AMERICAN LIVES!

To be fair, Iraq is a current warzone whereas Virginia Tech was a school. One expects violence to be prevalent in one and not the other. Of course, I'm not disagreeing with you, a large reason for the coverage is because it happened in America. But on that same note, what happens here is more likely to personally affect us, isn't it? What I found interesting though was this morning the news released information on the gunman and seemed to overly emphasized that the fellow was from Korea. As if saying "Oh, it'd because he's from Korea. No native American would ever do a thing like that!"...

Said By Artemis Panthar

Said By debrajean2

Does it matter where we place the blame? Is it going to change that all those people are dead? What needs to be figured out is what's going to be done so this doesn't happen again somewhere else?

Aside from decreasing response time and having a more proper method of security, it's not really preventable. All laws and measures are largely based on the individual's concern for their own safety (or their message's safety) but if the individual doesn't care if they die, most of our defenses are useless. I mean, you could be gunned down in line at the grocery store, someone could run in guns blazing and there's nothing you could do. Even with metal detectors, even with laws to prevent gun ownership, the people who want to hurt you are going to do it. Sure, they may be struck down, but that doesn't change the fact that they've already shot you, right? That's the scariest thing that we don't want to realize, these things aren't preventable as a whole. The only thing we can hope to do is make it harder for them to happen and prevent a higher body count by responding quickly.

Said By Thefremen

I would like to take the time to point out that the night before this happened 30 people were found shot dead on the streets of Iraq, discovered by police, and 8 people died in a bombing.

This incident was different though, because OH NOES AMERICAN LIVES!

To be fair, Iraq is a current warzone whereas Virginia Tech was a school. One expects violence to be prevalent in one and not the other. Of course, I'm not disagreeing with you, a large reason for the coverage is because it happened in America. But on that same note, what happens here is more likely to personally affect us, isn't it? What I found interesting though was this morning the news released information on the gunman and seemed to overly emphasized that the fellow was from Korea. As if saying "Oh, it'd because he's from Korea. No native American would ever do a thing like that!"...

Probably a Native American wouldn't. This actually reminds me a lot of the shooting at Texas Uni in 1966, except for the fact that we live in a post 9/11 world AND a post texas tower shooting world, so why the hell wasn't there a quicker/better response to this cowardly attack on America? Aren't we giving up our freedoms in order to be safe? Was this all orchestrated to show that America is no longer safe because we have a Democratic Congress?

I wish my University would do something about security. Bad shit happens all the time in the parking lots and by some of the dorms.
They need to make it not so easy to get in those dorms. Bc even with keycard access, people will let others go in bc they're stupid.

EDIT: A guy in the dorm below mine had a shotgun. Good thing his roommate found it and called the cops. I don't want to die now.

The best thing you can do is go on with your life. Don't live in fear.

I don't.

Said By Thefremen

Probably a Native American wouldn't. This actually reminds me a lot of the shooting at Texas Uni in 1966, except for the fact that we live in a post 9/11 world AND a post texas tower shooting world, so why the hell wasn't there a quicker/better response to this cowardly attack on America? Aren't we giving up our freedoms in order to be safe? Was this all orchestrated to show that America is no longer safe because we have a Democratic Congress?

And Columbine, granted that was a High School but still. It seems that after that extremely well-known event people would improve the way they situation was responded to. Like how Code Adam was established after Adam Walsh was kidnapped and murdered, a system was set up because stores had no real method of dealing with a lost child. There was a shooting earlier in the day, wasn't there? I don't see why class wasn't canceled then. A High School around here was canceled because they found a dud grenade on campus (coupled with a bomb threat, if my memory is correct), it just seems that even if it seems like it's no threat, the best thing to do is to play it safe and cancel the classes.

Said By The Sam!

I wish my University would do something about security. Bad shit happens all the time in the parking lots and by some of the dorms.
They need to make it not so easy to get in those dorms. Bc even with keycard access, people will let others go in bc they're stupid.

Most places need to up security, particularly they need to emphasis safety more than anti-drug raids. My college, even though it's private and extremely expensive, have shitty dorms where the maintenance/security pose the biggest threats to the students (apparently they often steal and randomly break into the rooms etc...). Hm, if memory serves, I believe a lot of the murders Ted Bundy committed were on college campuses that he very easily wandered onto. Although it seems that it's more likely that a student who already has access to the school/dorms are the people who pose a threat, rather than outside people.

Said By The Sam!

I don't.

Then the terrorists have already won. ;_;

If I lived in fear they would have won, but I don't.

I think you misunderstood the response to my post.

I agree.

Said By Aron Schatz

I think you misunderstood the response to my post.

Nah I meant the new new version of terrorists winning. The terrorists win if you vote democrat because you are no longer afraid of terrorism and the scare tactics meant to make you vote for old white authority figures aren't as effective. (IE: terrorists win if you don't mind gay marriage being legalized)

In this situation, it wasn't terrorists.

Terrorism as a blanket term is stupid.

Said By Aron Schatz

In this situation, it wasn't terrorists.

Terrorism as a blanket term is stupid.

He's from the Axis of Evil! Obviously a member of al-dog-eata.

I don't lump people into every or any terrorist group. This person that killed these people became emotionally disturbed... HE killed them...

Not terrorists.

(Do you quote every post?)