The Passion of Christ

I mentioned this on another forum. Everyone says "He died for you!" When he didn't do anything other than return from where he came =P He was goign to heaven anyway, he jsut wanted to go on a guilt trip

okay artemus im not going to comment because I respect you as a person but plz do not make such brutal and unreasnoble comments.

It wasnt a guilt trip it was to save us from sin.

I'll do whatever the fuck I please, Alexie =P Or is your religion too feeble to stand up to my ponderings?

I think it's important to note that your ponderings are no more feeble than the religion in question.

I know =P But that's no reason for me to not voice my own opinions.

Then I would ask that you show the same respect that Alexie has shown you when doing so.

replying from his response to me from page 3: mmm-kay...I don't even see how that was a reply to me...when did I say anything about sexual shit? ...you know, you have a lot of useless information.

What I said wasn't intended to be offensive (my reply to his complaint was, however) It was what I believe. I shall not be silenced because he is offended by my beliefs. You can bitch to me all you please =P

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I know =P But that's no reason for me to not voice my own opinions.

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Then I would ask that you show the same respect that Alexie has shown you when doing so.

I wasn't trying to silence you. I just asked that you remain civil.

And why was your reply was meant to be offensive to a very un-aggressive post?

Because a simple reply would suffice, but he sought me out on AIM. Harassing me gets me in a bad mood.

Well your bad mood can bitch all it wants. Im NOT telling you not to voice your opinions Im just asking not to put them in such offensive ways. There is no point to pissing us off (us being catholics) Are you doing it because you enjoy making some people not like you? Do you get a kick outta that? Our "weak religon" has lasted hundreds of years and your petty accusations will last till the end of the week until you forget about them. I do not wish to fight with you I was just ASKING if you could not be insulting when stating your opinins.

Well, if that was offensive, I'm sorry. But I'll say things how I feel. I didn't even put a curse word in there. I mean jesus christ =P Wait, that was offensive. XD Sorry. Anyway, just approach with caution then. I can't be responsible if you have sensitive feelings about yoru religion, I'm still going to say what I like however I feel like saying it

Sensitive feelings? Tell me how can one have sensitive feelings? you either have your faith or you don't, you have your feelings for the thing you believe in or you dont.

You do. I simply critisized his bases of certain beliefs. I said nothing about the religion in general. He believe what he believes because of what the religious media says. That is truth. Most chrisitians believe in the bible. That is media. =P Also various tips and taps from other places.

God is very complex, Jaego. It's very hard to understand the purpose of His dying for us at times. But being God He can be creative and accomplish the task at hand at the same time. Unlike us who if we were to try to be creative in accomplishing an important task we'd screw it up. If you want to hear about crazy ramblings, trying reading about Hinduism. That's some weird stuff. They even have their own [weird] beliefs about Jesus. And by the way, when you become a Christian you stay a Christian. There's no was. Pardon me for saying this, but you are either a fallen Christian, or you never were a Christian. Salvation is forever. About praying to Himself, God is omnipresent. That means He can be everywhere at once. It's hard to explain it, but it at least explains how He can pray to Himself. Also, he was setting an example for us. By the way, Artemis, media does not say all [people who call themselves] Christians
believe in the bible. The media says about fourty percent believe. But that does not mean the other sixty percent are Christians. They just claim they are (in most cases).

media. A form of communication...you're using it in a different sense than I was, dear.

There's the problem =P You seem to stick to the belief that God is, at base, human-like. If there is a God, I doubt it would be human-like. Humans are flawed, so God wouldn't be remotely human. Wouldn't think like a human, wouldn't act liek a human. So, why would God make an intricate plan that is so obviously human? =P

Dude, stop bashing Hinduism, alright? Just because you're christian doesn't make you so high and mighty and you are in no place to jduge others. It's what your bible says =P look it up.

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God is very complex, Jaego. It's very hard to understand the purpose of His dying for us at times. But being God He can be creative and accomplish the task at hand at the same time. Unlike us who if we were to try to be creative in accomplishing an important task we'd screw it up.

Well, I'm still confused as to how he is both God and Jesus. Your statement didn't help at all, basically you just said what every other Christian has told me about that...and if you actually listen to what you're saying, it makes no sense. And also, not all people fuck up when he 'creatively' accomplish something important, I don't know where you got that from (though I will admit that a lot of people do fuck up, just not everyone).

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If you want to hear about crazy ramblings, trying reading about Hinduism. That's some weird stuff. They even have their own [weird] beliefs about Jesus.

I have read about Hinduism, it isn't any more or less weird than every other religion in the entire world. If you say that Hinduists have weird beliefs, it's only fair to admit that Christians do as well (and all other religions).

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And by the way, when you become a Christian you stay a Christian. There's no was. Pardon me for saying this, but you are either a fallen Christian, or you never were a Christian. Salvation is forever.

You can't really say that, considering Christianity isn't a race of people. You can't just BE Christian forever. I lost my faith after a while. And if you and other Christians say "Oh, well then you never really <i>were</i> Christian"...then so be it.

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About praying to Himself, God is omnipresent. That means He can be everywhere at once. It's hard to explain it, but it at least explains how He can pray to Himself. Also, he was setting an example for us.

You're right, it is hard to explain. Being as Jesus had his own conscious mind, but then so did God. So it seems impossible for him to be praying to himself because there'd have to some weird collective mind that God created but had no control over. BUT, he'd need to be in control of he wouldn't be God. Then at the same time Jesus and God HAVE to be one entity or else Christianity would be polytheism. Difficult issue to tackle, so let's not bother.

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By the way, Artemis, media does not say all [people who call themselves] Christians
believe in the bible. The media says about fourty percent believe. But that does not mean the other sixty percent are Christians. They just claim they are (in most cases).

I guess I agree. If you don't believe in <i>most</i> of the Bible, then you're probably not Christian. Some of the stuff in there is pretty far-fetched (mostly the Old Testament), for example: God creating the world in six days when a day couldn't be defined because the Universe had to be created first. A day for God could have just as easily been seventy bajillion years as it could have been twenty-four hours. Then again, God created time, so...yeah...another difficult issue to tackle. Then Adam living to be...what? 900-something, I think it was? This kind of connects to the previous statement about God and time...maybe God changed how much time went by. Then (my all-time favorite) the Bible's amazing explanation for incestual deformities. Basically, God made a mistake (this is what it says, I'd quote it, but I need to find it first), which we all know is bullshit because God is supposed to be infallible. Whatever God says, goes. Nothing backfires, physics/genetics don't jump in to foil his plans. If God wanted it so that children from incestuous backgrounds looked normal, he would have made it so. They wouldn't have become deformed and God would have said "Whoopsies!" and then the Universe would've imploded or something.

w00t, my first long "quote someone" post!

EDIT: Oh yeah, just so you know; I respect your opinions and beliefs...but that doesn't mean I agree with 'em.

Good Job, man.

Thank you, thank you

No problem at all, man...

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media. A form of communication...you're using it in a different sense than I was, dear.

There's the problem =P You seem to stick to the belief that God is, at base, human-like. If there is a God, I doubt it would be human-like. Humans are flawed, so God wouldn't be remotely human. Wouldn't think like a human, wouldn't act liek a human. So, why would God make an intricate plan that is so obviously human? =P

Dude, stop bashing Hinduism, alright? Just because you're christian doesn't make you so high and mighty and you are in no place to jduge others. It's what your bible says =P look it up.

*sigh* Artemus JESUS Gods son became human so he could aone for our sins, The God in heaven is in no way human.

*sighs as well* Read with your eyes, Alexie. I said that the mannerisms of God in the bible are too human to actually be true. An etherial being cannot be so flawed as we as humans are. The bible refers to God as if God was human. They give God a sex, they make God vengeful, they make God act human. They do this because we can relate to it. It's all we know. You can't write for someone who is beyond your comprehension. That is what I meant when I said that.

Out of sheer curiousity, why do you spell my name with a 'u' instead of an 'i'?

It's most likely a desperate cry for help, otherwise I really have absolutely no idea. Maybe he has some odd, rare type of dyslexia. Or maybe he's just an idiot.

God...I don't wanna start with all the stupid things that Alexie Di Onie and others have been saying...

I have no want to see this movie. I can't see why anyone does. This isn't anything new....and plus, like most movies, the book is better.

But, I don't like Christianty. Whatever.

Christianity can be considered weird in the sense that it is not like other religions. Other religions say you have to do something (good works, die in battle, etc.) while Christianity says the way to heaven is through what Jesus did, not what you did. There's also religions that believe in reincarnation. Even atheism is a religion. But it's not about religion when it comes to Jesus. Religion can be synonymous with ritual at times. Religion says you can get to heaven, nirvana, or whatever you believe in through works. By the way, if someone told your friend a lie that could do harm to him/her would you tell him/her the truth or let them be hurt. Christianity claims there is one true (multiple truths makes no sense). This is what I believe: If I were to tell you that Hinduism is the ultimate truth, then that would be like tell you the sky is green. I'd be either lying through my teeth or believing it myself but it is not the truth. I seen proof of this by seeing God move in my, and other's lives. To many coincidences to say otherwise.

I hope you know that many religions originate from Christinanity, and it's not all that different. Sadly enough, it is one of the most common religions of today. Besides the bull shit that you gave out to all of us, explain (in short sentences, please) how Christianity is weird/different...

Funny how you just come back to defend your religion, but that's fine. I'm not even going to argue with you any longer, I've lost respect for you. This is quite possibly the stupidest post you have made trying to defend your religion so far. I'm not going to go into detail because I think it's quite obvious.

And stop insulting Hinduism, Jesus-fucking-Christ-with-a-stick-up-his-ass-and-anal-warts-with-crabs-biting-them.

What I do not like about religions such as Christianity is that there are people that act as the word of God (ex. pope). Believeing what they say or think is how God wants it. Stories past down from generations ever since the birth of Christianity has obviously become misinformed in time. Men with religious power started to become corrupt or started making other assumptions about God and the next life. For example, when Jesus was around there was never a mention at all of a place called Purgatory (place between heaven and hell). It was something that priests and other religious figures eventually made up or came to believe. Throughout history several popes have been known to use their power through politics threatening those that defied them to be excommunicated. That shows how corrupt the church had become, but of course there was the Reformation of Christianity involving Lutherism and Protestants. Luther was right in acknowledging that the church had been corrupt but severing itself from Christianity and forming a similar one shouldnt really be done either. Even though i'm not very religious, i'd say people that are Christian or close to it should just follow Jesus' teachings and nothing past that. The rest are really just skeptic stories that we're unsure if God praises those teachings. The way I follow my religion is just to have "faith", something that Jesus always stressed.

Get your head out of your ass and listen to what you're saying. You insulting other religions is no different than us insulting yours. All religions are fundimentally the same, as they provide people hope and something to believe in. It provides a structure for living that they follow. They aren't different, it's the believers who think they're different. The truth is we are here and we're the same, and yet we still put ourselves above those different than us. You have NO right to knock on Hinduism is you have ANY respect for your own religion. WWJD, man.

If you tell me Christianity is the ultimate truth, I'd tell you the sky was green
If you tell me Hinduism is the ultimate truth, I'd tell you the sky was green
If you tell me Judaism is the ultimate truth, I'd tell you the sky was green
If you tell me Buddism is the ultimate truth, I'd tell you the sky was green
If you tell me Catholicism is the ultimate truth, I'd tell you the sky was green
If you tell me Shintoism is the ultimate truth, I'd tell you the sky was green
If you tell me Islam is the ultimate truth, I'd tell you the sky was green
If you tell me Taoism is the ultimate truth, I'd tell you the sky was green
If you tell me Confucianism is the ultimate truth, I'd tell you the sky was green
If you tell me Protestantism is the ultimate truth, I'd tell you the sky was green

And just to add: Mormons are Christians too, end of story.